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James emphasises that people with addiction problems cause a large cost to society, so it’s important that when they’re getting well they give something back. He believes it essential that NWRC members give service to the local community and further afield. The giving back to others can take various forms.

James Deakin covers a wide range of topics with Wulf and David, from The King's Shilling (drug and alcohol treatment money) and North Wales's trauma legacy, through to James being 'ballsy, and the need for treatment providers to realise the huge potential role of recovery communities.